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Dark Earth is found around the world, during the same time scales people around the earth decided to use ash, charcoal and create raised "middens". Are the burning mounds just an area of cooking/midden or were they used for a more natural cooking or power process?

Farm Mounds are found on the Island of Sanday, Orkney
The Terramare culture in Italy built thier houses over great middens or mounds.

Burnt Mounds

Supposedly used for cooking but little evidence, if any of cooking materials or utensils. Usually a mound in a shape like a kidney or a round shape, sometimes with a "water trough" attached or slightly underneath it. The idea being that the cracked stones found around and in the Burnt Mounds were heated up, put in water and then the hot water used for cooking.
This is a sensible idea and they may have been adapted for this purpose but was that how they originally worked and their purpose?

If you consider the idea that natural power flows through the earth and depending on the amount of power being created by the earth its energy amount will change. If this was higher back in the day then the peoples of the earth may have been able use natural power. The great ancient "temples" of the world may have been more about converted or channelling the natural energy than the worship we have guessed they were used for. No body has ever been found in an Egyptian pyramid. Why build those immense structures and especially not decorate the burial chamber? This may include Dolmens, barrows and Cursus.

Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds

The Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds found in Birmingham are located with a stream running through them. One side is physically different to the other, with one having much lower electrical resistance than the other. Maybe a design for natural battery, capacitor or resistor?


Foula (Shetland Islands)

The Burnt Mounds on this small island have been mapped and photographs are were available on the foulaheritage.org.uk site. It was a fantastic little site but due to issues is in reduced circumstances, which is a great shame.

The "Moder Dye" at the bottom of this archive page
is worth a read (copied below). Wayback does not have images if they are no longer online so you can not see the image! I know its not to do with Burnt Mounds but it info like this might be useful to someone.

I have read somewhere else that sea going people could find there way to land using the direction of the waves, when out to sea and with no compass.

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"The Moder Dye has no direct connection with archaeology, but needs to be recorded somewhere!  It was used by Shetlanders, before the days of compasses, to find the land in times of fog.  The radar photograph below shows how this was done.  The photo was taken the day after the night hurricane Flossie passed through Shetland in September 1978.  The heavy westerly sea swells were about 250 yards apart and show up well on this photograph.  The swells reflect around the north and south ends of Foula (left centre) to produce an overlapping  pattern which continuously broadens out until it reaches the Mainland of Shetland (top right).  Any line drawn through the points of overlap, where the two swells peak, leads from the Mainland to Foula.  It must however have been rare that the Moder Dye  was as easy to interpret as in this example.  Andrew Henry (1910-1965) of the North Biggins, Foula, was the last Shetlander known to have been able to use the Moder Dye."


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Ash Shrine to Zeus or something else? Is it pre Classical Greek?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 12:49:25 »

"The truth is that the shrine didn't work as planned" !!

The article states its an ash shrine to Zeus but there is no temple found nearby to Zeus. They have found stuff that has his name on but what if it is an earlier shrine and they found the "latest" artifacts, not the oldest. Also why was ash/charcoal so important to the ancients?

The comments shown below are not exactly impressed with the article and the last comment is genius.


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Mound of Ash Reveals Shrine to Zeus - An altar dedicated to the king of the gods was used for ritual ceremonies by the ancient Greeks.

Excavations at the Sanctuary of Zeus atop Greece's Mount Lykaion have revealed that ritual activities occurred there for roughly 1,500 years, from the height of classic Greek civilization around 3,400 years ago until just before Roman conquest in 146.

"We may have the first documented mountaintop shrine from the ancient Greek world," says project director David Romano of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

Ritual ceremonies were conducted in a part of the open-air sanctuary called the ash altar of Zeus. It now consists of a mound of ash, stone and various inscribed dedications to Zeus, the head god of Greek mythology. Romano's team has found no evidence of a temple or structures of any kind on Mount Lykaion.

Work conducted over the past two years at the ash altar of Zeus has unearthed material from many phases of Greek civilization. Finds include pottery of various types, terra cotta figurines of people and animals, and burned bones of sheep and goats.

Chemical analyses have revealed traces of red wine on the inside surfaces of some pottery fragments, Romano says.

His team reported initial evidence of ritual activity at the ash altar of Zeus in 2007. The new discoveries indicate that ancient Greeks kept returning to the sacred site for a remarkably long time.
Mound of Ash Reveals Shrine to Zeus





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Re: Dark Earth - Burnt Mounds and "Middens" found around the world
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 18:42:53 »
Electrobleme,
I would recommend you google fire altars, and then look out for numbers , especially 108, 1080, 10,800, watch for the radius of the moon and sun.
in the Agnicayana there are 10800 bricks and 10800 verses.
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shell mounds around the world
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 19:39:39 »

shell mounds are found around the world, from the indians in the americas to the aboriginies in australia. some of the sizes of these seem to indicate a great length of time or masses of hungry people. they will have been used as shell middens but are they all shell middens or were some used as burnt mounts for other purposes?

was the construction of the shellmounds important in itself, to help harness the natural energy of the land to help cook the food, like the "maltese temples" and Skara Brae (Orkney Isles)

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Indian Island Shellmounds submitted by symbionspacesuit

Artificial Mound in The West. Indian Island Shellmound Cluster (HUM-67), is the largest mound site north of the San Francisco Bay. The ancient village of Tolowot has been the center of Wiyot world for more than 10,000 years. There are several shellmounds on the low lying marshy island, ranging in size to the largest being 14 feet high and covering approx. 6 acres.

Clay human figurines and zooform clubs have been found among the burials & village site of HUM-67. On top of many of the shellmounds the archeological remnants of multiple pit houses where found.

There is no public access to the site, the closest one can view the mounds are from boat.
Indian Island Shellmounds | megalithic.co.uk


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Indian Mound Park (Dauphin Island, Alabama)

In 1699, Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville landed on the island and discovered a large pile of human bones. Based on the discovery, d'Iberville coined the name Massacre Island. It is now assumed that these were not remnants of a massacre but remains dislodged from a burial mound during a hurricane. The height and serpentine shape of the shell mounds on the north side of the island indicated use or habitation by earlier civilizations.

Indian Mound Park contains six oyster shell middens of varying sizes. The largest is approximately circular with a recessed bowl in the center of the mound.

More extensive excavations of the site were conducted by archaeologists from the University of South Alabama in 1990. Observation of the mound profile revealed stratification with large layers of oyster shells and thin intervening layers of charcoal, fish bones, and potsherds.
Indian Mound Park (Dauphin Island, Alabama) | wikipedia

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Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds and Lord Of The Rings
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 23:47:19 »

Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds and Lord Of The Rings

interesting that one side of the burnt mound has a a high resistance and the other side of the stream it is low resistance. also that the stream may have been diverted .

was this some form of power/energy device or just a cooking place?

what i find interesting about this burnt mound as a cooking place is that the shattered heat stones are only in a thin layer a few cms high. did they not do much cooking? have heat shattered stones been found in the area around it? did a sudden catastrophe to the people using it stop them from using it? is it anything to do with cooking or if it is how was it powered? did it use a more natural energy power source in a more energetic Electric Universe?

were the burnt mounds used to cook food or energise seeds similar to the "temples" of malta with their stone shelves and especially Skara Brae Orkney Isles that also have similar stone shelves and strange food remains yet no wood on the island to cook food with!

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Moseley Bog Burnt Mound submitted by ChrisPoole

Artificial Mound in West Midlands.

This site was not discovered until 1980 when heat shattered stones were recognised in the bed of the stream that bisects the mound . An excavation followed and the mound was identified.

The composition of the mound is exposed in the stream banks as a layer of heat-shattered stones and charcoal nearly 14m long and about 30cm thick in one bank and a thinner layer 4m long in the other. On one side of the stream the mound survives as a low but prominent mound about 12.5m long and 6.5m wide, and on the other it is crossed by a path. Heat-shattered stones are visible on the eroded path surface. The visible remains suggest that the mound is approximately circular and is about 13m in diameter. A resistivity survey in 1998 confirmed the extent of the mound, as an area of high resistance, on the path side of the stream and located a possible former stream channel. On the other side of the stream an area of low resistance may indicate the location of a pit or trough under the mound. Samples of charcoal from the stream bank at Moseley Bog have been dated to about 1100BC by the radiocarbon method.

A second burnt mound is located about 11m east of the first and is visible as a layer of heat-shattered stones 3.3m long and up to 4cm thick in the north bank of the stream.

The site was scheduled as an ancient monument in 2002.
Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds | megalithic.co.uk


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Moseley Bog Prehistoric Burnt Mounds

Located off Pensby Close. Two Bronze Age burnt mounds, one visible as a low mound and the other as heat-shattered stones in the stream bank. There is an interpretation panel on a walkway near the site. Evidence of the burnt mounts can be seen from the photograph of the heat shattered stone on the right.
Moseley Bog Prehistoric Burnt Mounds | birmingham.gov.uk


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JRR Tolkien: Moseley Bog that inspired Lord Of The Rings gets Heritage cash

THE Birmingham bog which was the inspiration for JRR Tolkien’s celebrated fantasy fiction The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit has been awarded a £376,500 grant.

And The Wildlife Trust will use the cash boost to restore Moseley Bog and Joy’s Wood nature reserve to its former glory.

The bog, which is between Yardley Wood Road and Wake Green Road, is home to a rich diversity of wildlife and habitats.

The site is also home to two Bronze Age burnt mounds with Scheduled Ancient Monument status, and a former mill pool dam, a pond and water mill.

The money was officially announced yesterday by the Heritage Lottery Fund and the cash will be used to restore hedgerows, manage meadows, tackle tree safety and improve the boardwalks, steps, pathways, and signage around the site to ensure families can visit.

Interpretation at the site will also be improved, and a range of learning materials, an outreach programme for schools and community groups, a website, and self-guided MP3 tours, will be produced.

Heritage Lottery Fund West Midlands committee chairman Katie Foster said the grant was recognition of the area’s significance.

She said: “We are delighted to play a part in safeguarding and improving an area beloved by so many people and connected with such a well-known writer whose childhood heritage here influenced his writing.”

Bob Blackham, leader of the volunteers of Moseley Bog, and a Tolkien expert, said: “Moseley Bog has been affected and changed by human activity for at least the last 3,000 years as can be seen by the Bronze Age burnt mounds, the medieval earthworks of the dam and the remains of the Victorian/Edwardian gardens.

“Nature has always repaired and restored the works of man but for the last 13 years the bog has been helped by the Moseley Bog Volunteers, without whom this project would not be possible.”

Tolkien said Moseley Bog inspired the Old Forest that his Hobbit characters travelled through in The Lord of the Rings.
]JRR Tolkien: Moseley Bog | birminghammail.net

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Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 22:23:20 »
Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds


Moseley Bog burnt mound map and the artificial mound itself


Moseley Bog burnt mound (artificial mound) has a new raised walkway to help you get round Moseley Bog and visit the burnt mound. There are actually 2 Burnt Mounds at Moseley Bog and they are found beside each other although the Burnt Mound shown above is the more famous and easier to see Burnt Mound.

The problem with the Moseley Bog burnt mounds are that no remains of food have been found close to them, a problem not just with Moseley Bog burnt mound but with other burnt mounds also.

The official guestimate is that they may have been used as Sauna's! If so why 2 so close together? Also what about the ones located on Foula (Shetland Islands)? Why so many there?

Were Moseley Bog burnt mounds used as natural energy devices in an Electric Universe? Is this why you have high and low electrical resistance areas, why the stream cuts through them, why the layers of stones and charcoal?



Moseley Bog burnt mound (artificial mound) and stream



Moseley Bog burnt mound heat shattered or darkened stones



Moseley Bog burnt mound with erosion protecting wicker barrier


I really wanted to see the layers of stones/charcoal but it was very wet and their were workmen and people around so I didnt want to get in trouble for digging around.



Moseley Bog Birmingham, England, burnt mound





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Re: Dark Earth - Burnt Mounds and "Middens" found around the world
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2011, 16:13:52 »
Electrobleme,
Are You familier with teilhard de chardin???
He wrote a short note about fire.
http://www.teilhard.org.uk/teilhard-de-chardin/cosmo-mystic
Kevin
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Re: Dark Earth - Burnt Mounds and "Middens" found around the world
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2011, 19:01:37 »
thanks for link, will investigate him as lots of thought provoking stuff there

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Fiddlers Hill Norfolk - Burial Mound or Burnt Mound?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 01:28:05 »
Fiddlers Hill Norfolk - Burial Mound or Burnt Mound?

Fiddlers Hill in Norfolk is known as an ancient burial mound but is it a Burnt Mound or a variation on that theme? If Burnt Mounds were used as energy devices in the Electric Universe then could this explain the shape, location and the layer of burnt stuff in Fiddlers Hill Norfolk?



At the moment I have not find a lot of information on Fiddlers Hill Norfolk and what was discovered in it so it may clearly be a Burnt Mound but it has a lot of similarities to other Burnt Mounds.

It is the mound shape, has burnt stones/flints, layer of charcoal and appears to be beside or dissected by a stream. Similar to other Burnt Mounds like the Moseley Bog Burnt Mounds and those on the Scottish Island of Foula.

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Prehistoric human remains, burnt flints and evidence of possible cremations have previously been recorded at the mound, but the focus will be on preservation rather than excavation.

There are about 1,200 Bronze Age burial mounds recorded in Norfolk. The majority have been eroded over thousands of years and are barely visible, which is what makes the distinctive Fiddler’s Hill landmark so special.

“It’s close to the famous sites at Binham Priory and the Iron Age fort at Warham Camp which are incredibly popular,”

while part of the mound was removed during road-improvement works in 1933 ... “An archaeologist called Rainbird Clarke visited soon after and noted the works had cut through a thick layer of charcoal and burning near the base of the mound. This might have been the debris from a human cremation, although we cannot be certain.

“Otherwise, the mound has not been disturbed, which is important to us, because it means the rest of it is complete.” Mr Wade-Martins said there were no immediate plans to allow excavations of the site.
Bronze Age burial site at Fiddler’s Hill transferred to Norfolk Archaeological Trust | edp24.co.uk
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